The truth about Waterboarding

[if you want to get straight to the straight dope about waterboarding, skip to the "Some important facts about waterboarding"]

Like global warming, liberals say that "the debate is over" about whether or not waterboarding is illegal toture. And as with global warming, the so-called "conesus" about waterboarding that it is clearly, barbabic, unlawful, toture is another incredible lie/myth.

Indeed waterboarding is a procedure of extracting information from prisoners which would be "brutal" if practiced upon a shoplifter in order to have him give up the names of his fellow accomplices, but we are not talking about shoplifters, nor are we even talking of murders, but mass murders, many of whom, possoses information and/or clues (like as to the whereabouts of Usama Bin Laden) that could quite potentially save thousands of innocent lives from destruction. The people who have and would be waterboarded, are indivuals that are so vile, they will certainly and deservedly be setenced to death in a court of law. I would agree with the proposition that it is perhaps cruel to pull Osama Bin Laden's teeth out for revenge. If a mass murderer has no potential value to a society as far as life saving information is concerned then just put him on trial and then put him to death by legal injection. But if a captured terrorist has potentially life saving information: extract the information first then put him on trial and kill him. We all agree on the need to get such information from terrorists. The questioon and the division arises over how one goes about extracting such information from people who hate us and do not want to help us especially in our pursuit of squashing and thwarting there jihadist amigos. Thus an logical person can adduce that these people will not, in all likelyhood, give up (as has been the case) there valuable information willingly. So it will take coercsion. But liberals say we can only ask kindly and/or bribe jihadists capitives to get such info. Ofcourse, interrogators will try kindly asking first before anything else. So a jihadist says "no" and liberals say "ok well too bad" and conservatives say "no, we're going to get this information". We do not want to pull out there teeth with out antisetia. We want to make them stand up for a day, or keep them up for 48 hours in order to try to get the info.

Indeed the most effective way to extract such information without doing anything doing more temporary damage to terrorists according to CIA interrogators is waterboarding.

SOME IMPORTANT FACTS ON WATERBOARDING:

LIBERAL CLAIM ON WATERBOARDING: "Waterboarding is illegal. It violates the Geneva Conventions on Human Rights which America is a signoatory to."

RESPONCE: Actually, our waterboarding of terrorists murderers at Gitmo is completly legal and not a violation of the Geneva Convention. To leave aside the fact that it is completly moral to waterboard a mass murderer in order to save lives, let us, look at what the Geneva Convention prohibits. The Conventions were signed after WW2 and exsplicitly apply only to what can and cannot be done to prisoners of war. That is that the Conventions only apply to the treatment of soldiers of a nation state within a war when captive by the opposing nation state. So it would be a vilation if a Russian soldier was waterboarded by Georgia when they went to war recently but it doesn't apply to Osama Bin Laden and all those within Gitmo because they are not soldiers of a nation state. Those who signed on to the Conventions after the WW2 were protecting indiviual soldiers of armies, young men being ordered to fight by there nation states, not mass murderers like Bin Laden who acted at there own will and were not forced to blow up the Twin Towers. This major difference cannot be ignored and yet the left ignores shamefully and implies that waterboarding KSM to save lives by excrating information is the moral equivalent of waterboarding a captured Italian officer in WW2 for the hell of it.

2ND LIBERAL CLAIM ON WATERBOARDING: "Waterboarding is toture and is morally wrong and beneath the values of the USA."

MY RESPONCE: Defining toture is a matter of drawling a line in a area which is not black and white but grey all over. It's all about distinctions. But waterbaording clearly is not toture. However if you define toture as making someone feel uncomfartable on purpose then i guess it is.
But here is a common sence definition of toture:
If your willing to try it in order to see what it feels like or in order to write a cover story for "Vanity Fair" about it, it's not toture. For instance, the celebrated Vanity Fair writer Christopher Hitchens willingly had himself waterboarded not once, but twice in order to write a article about the parctice in Vanity Fair magazine. Indeed, in order to get waterboarded Hitchens had to pay former Navy SEAL's who knew how to so the procedure because the arm forces waterboard there own top officers as a way of training them incase they are captured behind enemy lines. At many private military schools for centuries, cadeats have, as means of hazing other cadeats, waterboarded eachother. Now would Christopher Hitchens have had had his teeth pulled out without novacaine in order to write a article for Vanity Fair about wheather or not its toture? Would anyone? Ofcourse not. Do schoolboys at military academys, pull eachothers teeth out with out novacaine as a form of "hazing"? Ofcourse not. Therefore waterboarding is clearly not toture. It leaves no lasting physical scars and has never killed anyone, it merely makes one subject to, literally, 1-2 seconds of extreme temporary distress. To be precise, it simulates the feeling of drowning without actually drowning.

SEE FOR YOURSELF:

Here is a highly recomended video of Christopher Hitchens being waterboarded and you can so for yourself if it's toture or not. While you watch ask yourself: is this on the same level as prodding someone's flesh with a smelting iron or severing someones limbs with a saw without antisetic? I dare say it simply impossible for an honest man to say that the murderer of 3,000+ innocent souls is above being subject to the following procedure in order to save more lives:


Christopher Hitchens gets waterboarded